Jeff Layton wrote: ><snip> > >First, I take issue with the idea that because I'm interested in >pure speed, that I don't take the time or care to develop or find or >buy the tools I need to admin the clusters effectively and efficiently. >I probably do the same things you do, but instead of coming up with >tools that ease my admin burden, I come up with tools that ease >my admin BUT don't compromise speed. I don't now if people >document what they do in making these tools, but if you start searching >the web, you'll find them (at least I did). > ><snip> > Hey Jeff-- Good to see a critical mass building up on the list. I didn't mean to insult the speed demons out there- it just that I've seen lots of groups (particulary biologists in academic settings) do really hair-raising stuff like wire capacitors into their motherboards to they can be overclocked safely. I have no problem doing that stuff at home but I'd be worried if that hardware had to live in a datacenter and be cared for by the IT group. This reflects my bias of course as someone who came up on the industry/biotech side of the fence. I will say though that I still believe that people put far too much emphasis on hardware price/performance without looking at releated stuff like physical footprint, electrical consumption, heat output & management overhead. Those dual-AMD systems are really fast but if you don't realize that they come with 550-watt power supplies your cooling/HVAC people people are going to be pretty upset. -Chris