Greetings from dLoo, As you have heard from Jeff, we are working on similar technologies! The model we were working from was different, but the problems we had to solve were similar. The exciting news is that, because of our models, both teams have been attacking different ends of the puzzle first. This means that there is a great possibility for both projects to benefit from each other and tighten their scope. ---On the Gray Papers--- What we have been doing over here the last two days is putting together a set of gray papers (not white) on how BlueBox works, how we understand Piper to work, and how they could work together with directory services. These papers are meant to be introductions that are "basic but technical enough" that GNOME and KDE people can understand the hows, whats, and whys of what we both are working on. The papers are posted at http://dloo.com/piper/ (not www). Please consider them to be mutually owned. Read them, rip them apart, correct any mistakes we make, etc.. Assuming that they look good to you (after all corrections), we can then agree to collaborate and publish the news to GNOME along with the Gray Papers on both of our websites Thursday/Friday . ---On Collaborating as a Whole--- We have a great graphic artist who can provide artwork if you need it. Feel free to use the Gray Papers and all images (excepting dLoo logos) on them in any way you wish. We believe in sharing the success of our company with those who work with us in the open source community. Our lawyers are still working on the equity plan. It will be a few weeks before we know the exact details. look forward to working with you, the dLoo team. After notes: Everything on Piper is from what we understand from your website. We did not use any terminology from our model. We did, however, change two terms to make it easier to understand. We changed "object" to "component" because that is the terminlogy that KDE and GNOME developers use. We changed parts of the the definition layer to "directory services."