Hey Jeff, > Well, Brad has been grumbling about the lack of icons for the Pied/Piper user > interface. Has Alex worked with alpha transparencies and PNG's before? Alex has worked with everything. > Well, we haven't had an all-out campaign yet, and the main reason is that Open > Source developers HATE "vaporware". I guess I thought we should have > something people can actually use so that they don't get too excited over > nothing. More than just hate it. Hate anything they can't download NOW. Three weeks out is hardly vaporware, but some people on GNOME were a little upset that BlueBox wasn't available the day it was announced!?!? I guess open source companies are the only ones that can warn people that software is about to be released. > When Piper started coming together, I became a bit bewildered by other UNIX > GUI's, old and new. I realized that Piper actually brought the UNIX paradigm > (the USER can do complex tasks by connecting simple tools) to the GUI (and > desktop) and that NO OTHER SYSTEM (that I know of) has ever really attempted > this. GNOME, KDE, Enlightenment, NeXT, CDE, and so on, ARE ALL DERIVATIVES OF > WINDOWS AND THE MAC, meaning no-one has rethought the concept of the GUI since > the Lisa and Xerox Star! I just don't understand it. The concepts behind > Piper seem rather obvious. Good ideas always seem obvious in retrospect. > > Of these, I could easily see a dozen KDE/GNOME people wanting to > > contribute if they just understood the potential of your work. > > In addition to not wanting to announce vaporware, I thought we needed to > define Piper's function and implementation before a lot of REAL heavy-weights > in the community came in and faught over it.....potentially splitting the > project and/or taking it out of my hands (think bulls in a china shop). So, > this has been an incubation period for Piper. The ASP model is hot. Distributed architecture is hot. Easy interfaces are hot. Too many ducks are in a row and the fact that two groups already went down a similar path, probably means that there is a third. I hope you guys get credit for the ideas in Piper. One always hears that Open Source only knows how to copy: which is not true. And here, along with FreeVSD, Freenet, 3dsia, etc., is a clear example of innovation. > Even during the incubation, source and development have been open. Piper just > hasn't been well known. But, now that it is maturing, I think it can stand > for some publicity.....and even some fighting over. > Multiple visions for a project are often a good thing too. Shows a broad idea that several people want to use in a variety of ways: witness all the modules in Apache. I suspect, when the open source community does becomes aware of it, there'll be very little fighting, but lots of unintended ways in which Piper evolves, cheers, Nile