Hi, Been following the lists for some time now, anxiously awaiting a new piper release so that I can try it out. But anyway. I came across a project some time ago (and then promptly lost), which may be of interest called Kaptain. It is a general graphical wrapper for command line programs for KDE. http://kaptain.sourceforge.net/ BTW I have tried to get the CVS versions working on a few occasions and always run into difficulty somewhere along the line... Didn't want to bother anyone, as, although I think piper is an incredibly interesting project, i don't have the time to really help at the moment, so I haven't been that excited about getting it working. Regards, Nathan Callahan