Just out of interest why 'too bad'? Do you mean this with regard to having to use those vendors *in particular*? I am a RH user, and am not really that familiar with SuSe or Debian, but they always seemed pretty reasonable options to me... (?) (as did Gentoo...) I'd be curious to hear about horror stories you have had with those guys. Because honestly, I have found RH to be a bit flakey sometimes, although pretty rarely admitidly. Or did you mean 'too bad' with regard to the fact that RH has decided to do this in general? On Tuesday 04 November 2003 11:13 am, you wrote: > For many of us, we may precisely be driven towards SUSE and Debian. > too bad. Philip