BioMoby is at www.biomoby.org. Its primary aim to integrate the different biological databases out there, a goal not too far from BioPHP's. Lincoln Stein wrote in a Nature article about three categories of approaches to integration: a) Link-level integration b) Ontology-driven integration c) Database or schema level integration Link-level integration is too "loose" to be truly useful to biologists. Database level integration (coming up with a grand biological database schema) was attempted by one or two groups earlier but failed eventually because of "database churning" (i.e. data providers kept changing their database design, to a point that human intervention became unmanageable). BioMoby is somewhat in the second category, with the added twist of web services, looks promising. I may or may not work on it, but if I do, I may be asked to do it in Java. Well, as they say, who has the gold makes the rules. So much for being a PHP evangelist. *laugh out loud* Regards, Serge Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com