At 12/3/2004, Judy Voet wrote: >Is there now (or will there be soon) an open source version that can be >used on new browsers? Or are the existing exercises importable to >java-based viewers? How are people getting around the problem of having to >use outdated and unsupported browsers? Hello, Judy, Here are answers to some of your questions. Hopefully others can add more, especially about Jmol. 1. MDL plans never to open the source of Chime. They have announced that by approximately 2006, the present Chime will likely be phased out. The replacement from MDL may not be free. 2. Thanks largely to the efforts of Miguel Howard and others, the OPEN-SOURCE Jmol java applet now supports essentially all RasMol and Chime commands. Thus Jmol (which has both stand-alone application and applet forms) appears to me to be by far the simplest and best existing or near-term solution to making existing Chime-based tutorials cross platform and cross browser. Also Jmol seems to me to be the simplest and best alternative to Chime for new tutorials (and Frieda Reichsman, Tim Driscoll and I are working on our first). "Simplest" because existing Chime command scripts will work with minimal changes, and simpler for those who already know some of Chime's command language. I, myself, have no experience using Jmol yet, though I expect to begin porting Protein Explorer to Jmol sometime within the coming year. I hope others on this list can offer help in porting. You may also wish to subscribe to the Jmol Users email list (available at Jmol Home, http://jmol.sourceforge.net aka http://www.jmol.org). 3. Jmol already works in more browsers than Chime, and works on linux as well as Windows, Mac OS 9 and native OS X. There are some issues related to java support in each browser/platform. Perhaps Miguel Howard or Tim Driscoll can give us an updated list? 4. Meanwhile, it is possible to make existing Chime-based tutorials work in the CURRENT versions of Mozilla and Netscape 7.x. I am working to do this for Protein Explorer in the near future, thanks to hard groundwork by Enrique Castro. I or someone else (Enrique?) may get around to documenting the tricks for others to use. One trick is that since the Chime installer doesn't look for these browsers, you have to copy npchime.dll into their plugins directory. This one file was sufficient in my limited tests, even tho the Chime installer puts several other small files in IE or Netscape 4. 5. I sent a looooooong message to jmol-users yesterday about the concept of using Protein Explorer's soon-to-be-released script recorder to record scripts for Jmol-based tutorials. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=10219516 One big advantage will be that you don't have to learn the command language in order to author tutorials. Another is that the resulting scripts are inherently matched to the capabilities of Chime (unlike the "save script" command) and efficient (ditto). But you may have to learn a few differences between Jmol and Chime for optimal results. Jmol already has many significant enhancements compared to Chime, both in its capabilities and in its command language. If anyone wants to try the Script Recorder immediately, contact Tim Driscoll who can put a pre-release on molvisions.com. 6. Following release of Protein Explorer with Script Recorder, I plan to release Protein Explorer with support for Presentations in Protein Explorer (PiPE). The mechanism will be to put the entire content of the presentation into the headers of the PDB files involved. One advantage of this is that all such presentations will be automatically downloadable as nothing more than a PDB file (or set of PDB files) directly from Chime or Jmol, and will run as a presentation in the matching version of PE. A demo of this scheme (with a downloadable pre-release of PE usable now for developing such PiPE's) is available at http://www.umass.edu/microbio/chime/beta/pipes/pe_pre2.15/index.htm download from http://www.umass.edu/microbio/chime/beta/pipes/download/ This scheme for PiPE's should work in the planned PE-Jmol as well as in the existing PE-Chime. Thus, PiPE tutorials created now will have a fully open-source future. -Eric /* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Protein Explorer - 3D Visualization: http://proteinexplorer.org Workshops: http://www.umass.edu/molvis/workshop Biochem Structure Tutorials http://MolviZ.org World Index of Molecular Visualization Resources: http://molvisindex.org ConSurf - Find Conserved Patches in Proteins: http://consurf.tau.ac.il Atlas of Macromolecules: http://molvis.sdsc.edu/atlas/atlas.htm PDB Lite Macromolecule Finder: http://pdblite.org Molecular Visualization EMail List (molvis-list): http://bioinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/molvis-list Eric Martz, Professor Emeritus, Dept Microbiology U Mass, Amherst MA US 413-545-2325/FAX 413-545-2532 http://www.umass.edu/molvis/martz - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - */