Hey, I just had an idea. www.lowrent.org is hosting sites for open source projects. Perhaps a website there with pointers to already-finished stuff, related projects, and people working on tulip woud be neat? I believe all that has to be done is the project originator fills out this form: http://lowrent.org/apply.shtml and they forward mail adressed to, say, "tulip at lowrent.org" to your address, and hand you 5 MB of space (more than enough for some text, screenshots, and some pages with pointers to ftp site) at lowrent.org/tulip/ to describe the project, bugs, current status, etc. Anyways, the reason I noticed this is that someone wrote a flag parser and had their site hosted at lowrent. Either that or because ml.org died, either way. -- "Every man is guilty of all the good he didn't do." --Voltaire