There's several free, open-source projects that track Microsoft "standards" I can think of: Samba tracks SMB (file, print, auth) GB tracks Visual Basic for Gnumeric (excel clone) FreeTDS tracks SQL Server/Sybase protocol Jabber (among others) tracks MSN Messenger Since .NET is ostensibly open, even if Microsoft controls it, and free software is capable of both reverse-engineering and tracking closed Microsoft standards, I think it's quite possible, especially if big money funds it. Whether it is a good strategy to do so is another question, but I don't fault de Icaza for liking the idea of sharing reusable components. Both MS and Gnome/KDE camps are concerned with incremental change rather than revolutionary, and reusable component sharing is a practical idea. As for revolutionary change in software, that will come from elsewhere. Exokernels, data visualization (like Piper, ZigZag, or Arrows) and such. Any cool software revolutions brewing you find interesting? -Steve -----Original Message----- From: J.W. Bizzaro To: pipet-users at bioinformatics.org Sent: 7/5/01 6:23 PM Subject: [Pipet Users] Re: Open-source fans try to outflank .Net - Tech News - CNET.com Here's a very telling quote: Last week, de Icaza said he's researched .Net extensively, likes it and believes having a version of .Net for Linux would be "good for Linux and Microsoft." I heard Miguel talk in Boston last year, and he unabashedly says that he likes and copies Microsoft programs for Gnome. Personally, I think that both GNOME and KDE are much too much like Windows AND EACH OTHER. Here's a good question: Is it possible to create an "open-source Linux-based clone" of a Windows-centric system/standard dictated by "embrace, extend, extinguish" Microsoft? Cheers. Jeff -- J.W. Bizzaro jeff at bioinformatics.org Director, Bioinformatics.org http://bioinformatics.org/~jeff "As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously." -- Benjamin Franklin -- _______________________________________________ pipet-users maillist - pipet-users at bioinformatics.org http://bioinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/pipet-users