In Australia where undergraduate programs are more specialised than in the US (Bachelor students usually go straight to PhD without a Masters), the majority of bioinformatics programs have been undergraduate. I have been coordinating the largest Australian undergrad program in bioinformatics for the last 4 years, and for the last 2 years have also convened a graduate course which is part of a Bioinformatics Masters plan. The upshot from comparing the two is that there is a lot more scope at the undergraduate level to cover all the necessary foundations (maths, CS, bio) as maths and CS require quite a different type of thinking from students than bio, and having the opportunity to expose students early on to both types of thinking is very useful. The downside of the undergrad approach is simply the lack of "maturity" of the students, especially in junior years. Until a student has had significant scientific experience, they have difficulty grasping the need for and context of bioinformatics and will use more of a rote learning approach rather than understanding the material in depth because they don't see its relevance and context. As a rule my undergrad students do better than the graduate students in my courses, but that may reflect the different intake mechanisms for the programs (undergrads go through a more stringent competitive selection process whereas the masters students often undergo a masters as a "retraining" masters because they were not good enough to succeed in their original field of interest). I suspect this would be different in places where Masters are a lot more commonplace Bruno On 10/08/2006, at 1:33 PM, bioedu-request at bioinformatics.org wrote: >> >> Yes, one of the questions about development of a Bioinformatics >> program is >> whether to start with a graduate degree or undergraduate. Most >> Universities >> have started with the graduate program first, but this is not >> necessarily >> the way to go, as Zadeh states. What do you all think is the way >> to go? >> >> Marty >> >> >> On 8/8/06, David Lapointe <david.lapointe at umassmed.edu> wrote: >>> >>> The May/June issue of IEEE Potentials has a interesting article on >>> developing >>> undergraduate programs in bioinformatics. A major point that the >>> author, >>> Jeff Zadeh, of Virginia State University, makes is that an >>> undergraduate >>> >>> curricula makes possible the interdisciplinary foundation that >>> bioinformatics >>> needs: biology, mathematics, and computer science. Undergraduate >>> study >>> is >>> inherently interdiscipline, whereas in graduate school there is more >>> focus on >>> research and discipline specific studies. >>> -- >>> .david >>> David Lapointe >>> "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly." - T.Paine >>> _______________________________________________ >>> BioEdu mailing list >>> BioEdu at bioinformatics.org >>> https://bioinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/bioedu >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Martin Gollery >> Associate Director >> Center For Bioinformatics >> University of Nevada at Reno >> Dept. of Biochemistry / MS330 >> 775-784-7042 >> ----------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> BioEdu mailing list >> BioEdu at bioinformatics.org >> https://bioinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/bioedu >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://bioinformatics.org/pipermail/bioedu/attachments/ > 20060810/6fcdec7c/attachment.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > BioEdu mailing list > BioEdu at bioinformatics.org > https://bioinformatics.org/mailman/listinfo/bioedu > > > End of BioEdu Digest, Vol 1, Issue 2 > ************************************ -- Bruno Gaeta, PhD, Senior Lecturer and Program Director, BE Bioinformatics School of Computer Science School of Biotechnology and and Engineering Biomolecular Sciences Ph: +61 2 9385 7213 Ph: +61 2 9385 2056 Fax: +61 2 9385 5533 Fax: +61 2 9385 1483 The University of New South Wales, Sydney NSW 2052 - CRICOS Provider No: 00098G -