Hi Pipers, Sorry I didn't answer Karl-Max's lenghty post sooner, needed some time to think about the proposal. At first I've to admit Piper doesn't really have a fixed design fron which we're building the code. This is because we had this situation of 3 projects merging and we couldn't look much futher as a pilot. Current cvs code is more or less what this pilot should be. It's the right time to think about the final product now. A think we should keep in mind that Piper IS a reseach project, most of it's idears aren't done before, or they aren't done in this combination. So it's almost impossible to design Piper in theory and then let some coding monkeys finish it. I really feel the need for for a grayish design that doesn't cover everything. But I think it's a good move if we would try to make a design coming weeks, to see what we want Piper to become. So I propose everybody to make a scretch of what he thinks Piper should look like, we'll merge\discuss those views, and fill in that general design as much as we can. Does this sound like a good approarch? jarl